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Just thinking out loud...

Since Sam still has all of Jolinar's memories, does that mean if she were to have a child, the child would also have them? And since Jack held a symbiote (even though it wasn't for as long), he too could pass that knowledge on?

And since the worse thing ever is a Harsesis child, then the same could be said about a child born from people who have hosted Tok'Ra. It must be bad - otherwise the Tok'Ra would have been creating these children already. And we know from canon that even the Gou'ld's are against the concept of this - that's why Shar're was hidden to give birth.

So theoretically, wouldn't that mean that Jack and Sam can never get together so mankind can survive? That not only would it be against military regulations, the Tok'Ra would be against it too? Or would they just hope and pray Oma would steal this child away?

Again, just thinking. So if a J/S-shipper should read this I ain't trying to cause trouble. I'm just wondering if this is something that is possible.

Anyone got any answers??

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So theoretically, wouldn't that mean that Jack and Sam can never get together so mankind can survive?

One of the best reasons ever to sink The 'Ship. :eg: But, y'know, I bet this wrinkle has never occurred to TPTB in their determination to get J and S together.

So if a J/S-shipper should read this I ain't trying to cause trouble. I'm just wondering if this is something that is possible.

Well, it's not actually possible, since the only one Jack will have sex with is Daniel, and Daniel ain't havin' any kids any time soon. :cheeky grin: Plus, he's not been a host.

No answers from me on this, I'm afraid. Perhaps the lack of a symbiote at the time of conception would make a difference? But, I dunno. This is a really interesting question, Erika. You ought to broach it on one of the lists. I'd love to see what those more conversant with the canon would come up with. Broach it! Broach it! :-)

No answers from me on this, I'm afraid. Perhaps the lack of a symbiote at the time of conception would make a difference?

At first I thought that, but then I don't think that would make a difference. Sam hasn't had a living symbiote in her body for what- 5 years? And yet she can still feel the presence of symbiotes, and they can still sense it in her. She has that protein marker in her as well. She can even use those nifty devices that only work if you're snake. Heck - the reason they give for women having to give up things like smoking and drinking when they're pregnant is that whatever is in the women's system will be passed on to the child.

But, I dunno. This is a really interesting question, Erika. You ought to broach it on one of the lists. I'd love to see what those more conversant with the canon would come up with. Broach it! Broach it! :-)

Are you insane????:g: It took me a great deal of courage to just post the question here! But please - if you want, you could ask 'em...




At first I thought that, but then I don't think that would make a difference. Sam hasn't had a living symbiote in her body for what- 5 years? And yet she can still feel the presence of symbiotes, and they can still sense it in her. She has that protein marker in her as well. She can even use those nifty devices that only work if you're snake.

All part of the process of making Sam a Mary Sue, I believe. 'Cause, if you look at the early eps, Teal'c did not have the ability to detect the presence of a Goa'uld, but then, whoops! They realized if Sam had that ability, mayhap they'd better give it to Teal'c, too, since he had a living symbiote in him.

Yes, I are cynical when it comes to the PTB's motivations regarding Sam. She has all those Goa'uld abilities plus the memories of Jolinar (putting her one very large up over just about every other human on the planet); she has an important Tok'ra connection (putting her one very large up over just about every other human on the planet); she's not only the ultimate Astro-Physicist on the planet, she's aces in all scientific disciplines; she's left many a broken heart and dead wannabee lover in her wake, and now we're to believe she's the Girl for the number one Hero on the show. Oy. Mary Sue.

But, I digress. :g: Anyway, I'm not real up on the particulars regarding Jack's hosting experience, but I haven't seen him exhibit any of these Goa'uld detection abilities, etc. in Season 7 and I've heard tell in discussions on the lists that he doesn't remember much of his symbiote. Perhaps that would make a difference? Though why Jack doesn't remember is a question unto its own self. It would seem to contradict all previous canon that says that sharing of memory between host and symbiote happens fairly soon and is complete. Maybe we're to assume Jack's mind was strong enough to suppress that connection as much as possible because he didn't want it, but I don't really find that credible. After all, how many people really wanted to become hosts and surely some of them were strong-willed.

I'm afraid I just have questions and no answers on this. :g:

Are you insane????:g: It took me a great deal of courage to just post the question here! But please - if you want, you could ask 'em...

But, but, but, it's a valid question. If worded diplomatically, it shouldn't cause any strife. Ask it! Ask it! :g:


Actually, I think I found a flaw in my idea. It's a small flaw, and I may have also worked out how to get around said flaw.

anyhoo, the Tok'Ra symbiote that Jack gets left Jack's body (doing that whole "I'm a Tok'Ra: I'll do myself in before I let you die"), so that might be why Jack has no memories or super-duper powers. However, in the ep where Hathor came back and had the gang believing it was 70 odd years in the future, and everyone else was dead, she put a Gou'uld symbiote in Jack. Now even though the TOk'Ra undercover agent froze Jack to kill the symbiote before it could take over Jack's body, surely the dead symbiote would have been absorbed into his blood, etc. So even if Jack has no memories, he would still have some sort of marker in his system.

But I still ain't asking. :g:

Yes, I'm still online. :g: Determined to get caught up on some mail tonight!

I'm still not sure anything is resolved on this question myself. See, there's two aspects to it: 1) The symbiote's memories. 2) The naquadah and protein marker the symbiote leaves behind. So, with the Tok'ra symbiote, because it didn't die in Jack, I can buy it not having left enough naquadah behind (maybe) or that protein marker, but I still don't buy the no memories thing. And it's the memories thing that causes the hullabaloo over Harcesis children.

For the snake Hathor put in him, it's kinda the opposite. I can buy the no memories thing, 'cause it was no sooner in him than it was frozen, so I can buy no connection with the host being made. But it did die in Jack, so yeah, what about naquadah being absorbed into his system or that protein marker? It wasn't in him very long, but then Jolinar wasn't in Sam all that long either. What, maybe one or two days?

I vaguely recall a discussion on Alpha Gate about that first snake in Jack, and it seemed the consensus was it wasn't in Jack long enough to change him in anyway. But, um, that snake's body had to go somewhere, yes?

I think the writers make it up as they go, to whatever suits the script of the moment.

But I still ain't asking.

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